Thank you, y-nought, for your kind words and usage of the rating system. I
spent quit a few days writing the code for that and now that someone's
actually using it, I wrote a decoder for it as well.

If you want to rate your letterboxes, then by all means visit M5 T1 L3 A2 C4
D1 H0 S0 and have at it.

If you'd like to decode this letterbox, feel free to visit M5 T1 L3 A2 C4 D1
H0 S0 and enter the rating below.

And for edification: myndworx.com is my domain where the NLC site is hosted
and the Team name is Rayvenhaus


Steve of Rayvenhaus (Sans Sig in this post)

----- Original Message -----
From: "edwebbe"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 11:37 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system


> I just planted the "Three Keys" letterbox and gave it a
> difficulty rating of M5 T1 L3 A2 C4 D1 H0 S0, according to the
> myndworx.com system (Rayvengrade?).
> The system packs a lot of information into a very small amount
> of shorthand.
> And, although there is no hiking involved with this particular
> letterbox, the M5 lets me tell everyone what a fabulous hiker I think
> I am.
> y-nought

That was two weird... I guess it all depends on what you have in your
clipboard when you copy and paste, but I swear, those were weblinks, not box
ratings when I posted them. A well, I'll do it again:

Letterbox Rating System
http://www.myndworx.com/modules/LCAS/diff_gen.php


LbRS Decoder
http://www.myndworx.com/modules/LCAS/diff_decoder.php


Feel free to make use of them.

Steve (Still Sans Sig)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rayvenhaus"
To:
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system


> Thank you, y-nought, for your kind words and usage of the rating system.
I
> spent quit a few days writing the code for that and now that someone's
> actually using it, I wrote a decoder for it as well.
>
> If you want to rate your letterboxes, then by all means visit M5 T1 L3 A2
C4
> D1 H0 S0 and have at it.
>
> If you'd like to decode this letterbox, feel free to visit M5 T1 L3 A2 C4
D1
> H0 S0 and enter the rating below.
>
> And for edification: myndworx.com is my domain where the NLC site is
hosted
> and the Team name is Rayvenhaus
>
>

if it's so difficult that you need a decoder, shouldn't that tell you
something?

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus"
wrote:
> I spent quit a few days writing the code for
> that and now that someone's actually using it,
> I wrote a decoder for it as well.

Hello All!

Well I rarely ever post, but felt I needed to this
time! :-) Steve this is the coolest system!!! Thanks
so much! After you sent this post I went to the link
and decoded the box from y-nought! How neat how it
gives you the description so you do not have to look
up what each letter means!!!!! :-) Thanks so much for
all your hard work to make things easier for the
people who would like to use it!! :-)

BigMommaOfThree



--- Rayvenhaus wrote:
> That was two weird... I guess it all depends on what
> you have in your
> clipboard when you copy and paste, but I swear,
> those were weblinks, not box
> ratings when I posted them. A well, I'll do it
> again:
>
> Letterbox Rating System
> http://www.myndworx.com/modules/LCAS/diff_gen.php
>
>
> LbRS Decoder
>
http://www.myndworx.com/modules/LCAS/diff_decoder.php
>
>
> Feel free to make use of them.
>
> Steve (Still Sans Sig)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rayvenhaus"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system
>
>
> > Thank you, y-nought, for your kind words and usage
> of the rating system.
> I
> > spent quit a few days writing the code for that
> and now that someone's
> > actually using it, I wrote a decoder for it as
> well.
> >
> > If you want to rate your letterboxes, then by all
> means visit M5 T1 L3 A2
> C4
> > D1 H0 S0 and have at it.
> >
> > If you'd like to decode this letterbox, feel free
> to visit M5 T1 L3 A2 C4
> D1
> > H0 S0 and enter the rating below.
> >
> > And for edification: myndworx.com is my domain
> where the NLC site is
> hosted
> > and the Team name is Rayvenhaus
> >
> >
>
>


=====
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and turns it into something fun, which is the whole point. Kudos.
y-nought


>
> LbRS Decoder
> http://www.myndworx.com/modules/LCAS/diff_decoder.php
>
>
> Feel free to make use of them.
>
> Steve (Still Sans Sig)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rayvenhaus"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system
>
>

I think the Difficulty rating system is fantastic! You did a
wonderful job of writing it, and setting it up so that anyone can use
it. It's easy and fun. Thanks.

catbead

The pleasure you take in creating it shows through.

As for the other hurtfull few, there are people who realize their own
creativity is limited so they resort to tearing down others hoping to
make themselves look bigger. Sometimes they see this in themselves
and are self correcting, sometimes they don't. In the end they must
live with themselves.


catbead


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus Team"
wrote:
> Words like that catbead are why I did it. It's suppsoed to be fun.
> Period. It is at least for me. For other's I get the feeling it's
not,
> but that's not my worry.
>
> Thank you for your kind words!
>
> And to any an all, if you have idea's or proposed changes, or even
> wording changes for the levels, pelase don't hesitate to contact me and
> we'll talk about it, I'm always looking to improve it.
>
> Steve of Rayvenhaus
>
>
> P.S. Look for the PFX decoder at the NLC site soon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "catbead1"
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:23:46 -0000
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system
>
> > I think the Difficulty rating system is fantastic! You did a
> > wonderful job of writing it, and setting it up so that anyone can use
> > it. It's easy and fun. Thanks.
> >
> > catbead
> >

When this rating system was first talked about, I thought it was too
many letters and numbers and would be a pain to use. BUT - now that I
have seen it and there is the decoder, I think the system is WONDERFUL!
It's a great way to let others know about the trail before they leave
home. I just added this to the boxes I plant and plan to use it from
now on!



Debbi

-----Original Message-----
From: catbead1 [mailto:libby@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:24 PM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system


I think the Difficulty rating system is fantastic! You did a
wonderful job of writing it, and setting it up so that anyone can use
it. It's easy and fun. Thanks.

catbead



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As with Steve, I too thought about responding or not responding... Normally,
I am silent on this list, just letting things go by and reading that which
is of interest to me... However, this post torqued my trigger on one simple
aspect.... Childishness...

This has been asked time and time again to many people that have attempted
to make the letterboxing world a little bit easier for everyone involved...
Why?

What does it matter if someone creates "yet another" mailing list? What
does it matter if someone creates a discussion forum? Why do some people
feel the need to stoop so low as to hide behind a mask because they can't
come out and be an adult with their feelings about these things?? No one is
forcing you to use "yet another" mailing list, or "yet another" discussion
forum... If you don't like the idea, then don't entertain it!!! But please,
have some consideration for everyone else on these lists and keep the flame
wars non-existent... This is a family hobby, meant for everyone to enjoy...
why try and drive them away with your pettiness and childish behavior?

And with that, I shall return to my silent existence on this list yet once
more, wishing everyone well!!

Kris of Rayvenhaus

> -----Original Message-----
> From: "raven_hoose"
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:46:18 -0000
> Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system
>
> >
> > if it's so difficult that you need a decoder, shouldn't that tell you
> > something?

> As for the other hurtfull few, there are people who realize their
> own creativity is limited so they resort to tearing down others
> hoping to make themselves look bigger.

Call me a softy, but I'd like to give the person a benifit of a
doubt. The post about needing a decoder to understand an 'easy'
system makes a good point, I think. Something that's easy should be
intuitive and not need a decoder.

Why use an obvious fake name? Maybe they like Steve and was afraid
a little constructive critisism would harm the friendship? Okay,
far fetched, I grant you, but we don't know the reason for them
wanting to hide their identity. Some people are shy about entering
anything that might be considered controversial. Maybe there's a
conflict of interest involved. Who knows?

But tearing down others hoping to make themsevles look bigger?
Really, how does someone look 'bigger' if they're hiding behind a
fake name? Most likely, they just don't like Steve on a personal
level and has nothing to do with making themselves look better.

In any case, while the tone of the message was probably harsh, I'll
go on record as agreeing with the content. I mean, really, people.
This difficulty rating system is as easy to use as a VCR remote
control. It's so easy, Steve had to make a 'user manual' for it!

That's not an 'easy' system, it's a complete failure on a user
interface level. I don't even know where to begin to suggest an
improvement except to throw the whole thing out.

Now if Steve is trying to make something fun, different, or
possibily entertaining (depending on how much you like puzzle
solving), the difficulty rating system is a roaring success. But on
a user interface level, it's bloody awful.

I'm not trying to tear anyone down, that's just my opinion. But
Steve's a big boy and can handle a little constructive critisism.
But you know, in the society we live, constructive critisism tends
to make people look bad. It doesn't matter if it's genuine or
correct, but critisism has a very negative connotation in this
society and I understand perfectly well why someone would want to
provide it under a false name.

When people know a given thought can't be pointed back to them, they
can be much more truthful than they otherwise would be. Why do you
think so many surveys in this country are done anonymously? As soon
as they are no longer anonymous, the results aren't as good. People
write what they think will make themselves look better, not
necessarily the god's honest truth.

-- Ryan

It's your opinion and I respect you for it. I'm also not going to get
into an arguement.

Have you tried Steve's system, including the decoder? All you do is
pop in the code that the box creator used, click on the button and
poof! The answer's there, so easy. Anyone who knows how to cut and
paste can use the decoder.

No one needs to use it if they don't want to. If they don't like it
then skip right on by and go straight to the clues for the letterbox.
Don't like the letterbox? OK, then leave it, it's just a plastic box
with paper and rubber inside.

catbead

OMG Ryan, are you Simon Cowell in disguise?


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> > As for the other hurtfull few, there are people who realize their
> > own creativity is limited so they resort to tearing down others
> > hoping to make themselves look bigger.
>
> Call me a softy, but I'd like to give the person a benifit of a
> doubt. The post about needing a decoder to understand an 'easy'
> system makes a good point, I think. Something that's easy should
be
> intuitive and not need a decoder.
>
> Why use an obvious fake name? Maybe they like Steve and was
afraid
> a little constructive critisism would harm the friendship? Okay,
> far fetched, I grant you, but we don't know the reason for them
> wanting to hide their identity. Some people are shy about
entering
> anything that might be considered controversial. Maybe there's a
> conflict of interest involved. Who knows?
>
> But tearing down others hoping to make themsevles look bigger?
> Really, how does someone look 'bigger' if they're hiding behind a
> fake name? Most likely, they just don't like Steve on a personal
> level and has nothing to do with making themselves look better.
>
> In any case, while the tone of the message was probably harsh,
I'll
> go on record as agreeing with the content. I mean, really,
people.
> This difficulty rating system is as easy to use as a VCR remote
> control. It's so easy, Steve had to make a 'user manual' for it!
>
> That's not an 'easy' system, it's a complete failure on a user
> interface level. I don't even know where to begin to suggest an
> improvement except to throw the whole thing out.
>
> Now if Steve is trying to make something fun, different, or
> possibily entertaining (depending on how much you like puzzle
> solving), the difficulty rating system is a roaring success. But
on
> a user interface level, it's bloody awful.
>
> I'm not trying to tear anyone down, that's just my opinion. But
> Steve's a big boy and can handle a little constructive critisism.
> But you know, in the society we live, constructive critisism tends
> to make people look bad. It doesn't matter if it's genuine or
> correct, but critisism has a very negative connotation in this
> society and I understand perfectly well why someone would want to
> provide it under a false name.
>
> When people know a given thought can't be pointed back to them,
they
> can be much more truthful than they otherwise would be. Why do
you
> think so many surveys in this country are done anonymously? As
soon
> as they are no longer anonymous, the results aren't as good.
People
> write what they think will make themselves look better, not
> necessarily the god's honest truth.
>
> -- Ryan

Hmm,

Through geeky methods, I happen know with a great deal of certainty
who made the "anonymous" post. I'm quite certain that the
letterboxing community, with possibly no exception, would agree that
the person in question has no need to make his or herself look
bigger.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "catbead1" wrote:
> The pleasure you take in creating it shows through.
>
> As for the other hurtfull few, there are people who realize their
own
> creativity is limited so they resort to tearing down others hoping
to
> make themselves look bigger. Sometimes they see this in themselves
> and are self correcting, sometimes they don't. In the end they
must
> live with themselves.
>
>
> catbead
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus Team"
> wrote:
> > Words like that catbead are why I did it. It's suppsoed to be
fun.
> > Period. It is at least for me. For other's I get the feeling
it's
> not,
> > but that's not my worry.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind words!
> >
> > And to any an all, if you have idea's or proposed changes, or
even
> > wording changes for the levels, pelase don't hesitate to contact
me and
> > we'll talk about it, I'm always looking to improve it.
> >
> > Steve of Rayvenhaus
> >
> >
> > P.S. Look for the PFX decoder at the NLC site soon.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "catbead1"
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:23:46 -0000
> > Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system
> >
> > > I think the Difficulty rating system is fantastic! You did a
> > > wonderful job of writing it, and setting it up so that anyone
can use
> > > it. It's easy and fun. Thanks.
> > >
> > > catbead
> > >

Thanks bunches BigMomma!

Can't tell you how happy it makes me to know you broke your vow of
silence to post on behave of the Lb Rating System! (Grin) It really does
mean a lot to me. Thanks for the kind words. Look for the PFX Translator in
the near future!

Steve of Rayvenhaus
(Sans Sig)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leanne"
To:
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Difficulty rating system


> Hello All!
>
> Well I rarely ever post, but felt I needed to this
> time! :-) Steve this is the coolest system!!! Thanks
> so much! After you sent this post I went to the link
> and decoded the box from y-nought! How neat how it
> gives you the description so you do not have to look
> up what each letter means!!!!! :-) Thanks so much for
> all your hard work to make things easier for the
> people who would like to use it!! :-)
>
> BigMommaOfThree

Finding the author of that was easy enough, and the post certainly was
not "anonymous" as the name used was carefully chosen and part of the
dig.

Me thinks several someone's are trying to brew up a storm.

The Wandering Weavers


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "bcostley"
wrote:
> Hmm,
>
> Through geeky methods, I happen know with a great deal of certainty
> who made the "anonymous" post. I'm quite certain that the
> letterboxing community, with possibly no exception, would agree that
> the person in question has no need to make his or herself look
> bigger.
>

"Like getting into Harvard is hard???" Beware the letterboxing ditz
with an uncanny sense of IT & other bizarre things... ;) Oh no, I
feel a case of bronchitis coming on, guess I'll have to get out
letterboxing ASAP for some fresh air. Though, maybe I no longer
have the appetite for it.

If the dude wants a website, let him have it--if others don't like
it, they can always ignore it. That's why living in this awesome
country is such a wonderful thing--we're blessed with freedom!!!

As our cultural iconic 'hero' once cried "Why can't we all just get
along???" This sort of immature stuff is what drives enthusiasts &
especially inquisitive neophytes away from this hobby! I'm on the
autobahn, accelerating, as we speak!!!

dvn2r ckr

cultures that eat their young are doomed to short chapters in
history books (and really small meals) ;)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "theweavers2025"
wrote:
> Finding the author of that was easy enough, and the post certainly
was
> not "anonymous" as the name used was carefully chosen and part of
the
> dig.
>
> Me thinks several someone's are trying to brew up a storm.
>
> The Wandering Weavers

See! That's why your my favorite Letterboxing Lady dvn2ckr!

(Said in the best Budweiser Commercial Voice)
"I love you man!!!!!!"

(Extra Wide Grin)

Thanks for being you Bethany!

Steve

Ryan, since you thought that feedback on your feedback might be
useful, here is mine, do with it as you wish...

> > Why do you insist on being so sarcastic about things?
>
> It makes me cute and loveable. :)


WRONG!

And what about my cat? Perhaps it would
> be better to call it "Pet friendly".


People letterbox with their cat? I thought that was just
litterboxing...

Cami

> People letterbox with their cat? I thought that was just
> litterboxing...

People go thru-hiking on the 2,173-mile Appalachian Trail with their
cat. I've never heard of anyone letterbox with a cat, but I
wouldn't be surprised. ;o)

-- Ryan

For the record -- I think Ryan is cute and loveable.

But some have said that I am sick and twisted. So maybe that doesn't
count for much.

Despite the moaning and groaning and complaining I think your
comments, suggestions and ideas are usually right on target and
benifical Ryan ...

So I would encourage you to keep them coming, so long as they don't
get personal.

Well back to work I go -- boy I wish I had the time I once had to
letterbox...

pandora{I`B}

It has been sometime since I have been active on the list, with the
recent activity in my everyday life; letterboxing was just put on
hold for a bit. But I have tried to follow the list and help the
moderators out as much as possible. Seems now things have mellowed
out and I will be able to focus more now.

Considering the fact that I have received so many emails about this
recent thread, as have other moderators, I thought I would give my
public opinion on it.

Kris said:
"But please, have some consideration for everyone else on these
lists and keep the flame wars non-existent... This is a family
hobby, meant for everyone to enjoy...why try and drive them away
with your pettiness and childish behavior?"

I did not see the original post from "raven hoose" to be a flame
war; I saw it as a comment just like any other comment, and the only
thing I see here as a blatant flame is the responses to the post
where the poster is called childish and numerous other things.

Perhaps we should all remember that those that live in glass houses
should not throw stones?

As for those that have written asking that I take some action about
the recent tit for tat on this thread, I can only say that there is
really not much the moderators can do about this, but I do know that
the parties have been asked to take the thread private at this
point. In the future I would urge those that find such a thread
annoying or distasteful might want to skip over posts from those
that are repeatedly posting in the thread and save yourselves some
time and aggravation.

pandora{I`B}

The Budster really likes this site. What a great idea to add information
about a letterbox place in so few alphanumerics!

We will definitely incorporate it into our next placement! Good Job ,
Ravenhaus



Budster , J&G& "bud" of the Catskill Mountains, NY

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